Think social enterprises are just fluffy charities with no financial backbone? Think again. In this week’s episode, we’re talking about real businesses — the kind that make money and a difference.
In this episode:
“Social Enterprises: Doing Good and Making Profit”
We explore what social enterprises actually are, how they work, and why they’re reshaping the business world. From CICs and cooperatives to community benefit societies and charities, you’ll learn about the different models and how to choose the one that fits your mission — and your money goals.
With decades of experience working with social enterprises, charities, and private companies, I break down the structures, benefits, challenges, and practical steps so you can blend purpose with profit and build something that truly matters.
If you’re thinking of starting a social enterprise, working with one, or advising one, this episode is for you.
Timestamped Summary:
[00:00:00] – What social enterprises really are — and why they matter
[00:01:20] – The key difference between a social enterprise and a charity
[00:02:59] – Model #1: CIC (Community Interest Company) — features, asset lock, and types
[00:04:55] – Model #2: The Cooperative — member-led, democratic, and ethical
[00:05:59] – Model #3: Community Benefit Society — funding, tax perks, and local impact
[00:06:39] – Model #4: Private company as a social enterprise — does it work?
[00:07:24] – Model #5: CIO (Charitable Incorporated Organisation) — benefits and trade-offs
[00:08:42] – How to choose the right model: purpose, funding, and long-term goals
[00:09:27] – Final thoughts: impact, growth, and doing business for good
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Transcript
Welcome to this week's episode of Creative
Speaker:Passion to Profit, and in today's podcast
Speaker:episode, I'm gonna be diving into the world
Speaker:of social enterprises.
Speaker:Now before you switch off, thinking this is all
Speaker:about fluffy feelings, charity, tea dances, and
Speaker:about doing good stuff.
Speaker:Just hold on a minute.
Speaker:I'm gonna be talking about businesses.
Speaker:Yeah, businesses that make money IE
Speaker:profits and actually make a difference.
Speaker:So grab yourself a drink of choice.
Speaker:Put on those headphones if you're out running.
Speaker:Keep those hands on the steering wall
Speaker:if you're driving.
Speaker:And let's crack off.
Speaker:Now, did you know there are over a hundred
Speaker:thousand plus social enterprises in the
Speaker:United Kingdom alone?
Speaker:They contribute humongous amounts of
Speaker:money to the economy.
Speaker:They employ an immense amount of people here,
Speaker:and they are sectors, they are businesses in
Speaker:their own right from generating several
Speaker:thousand to several million pounds worth
Speaker:of profit and turnover.
Speaker:That's not a small change, that's an immense
Speaker:impact that's being made.
Speaker:So yes, social enterprises do matter
Speaker:both financially, socially, and
Speaker:economically.
Speaker:Now, in today's episode, I'm gonna be focusing on
Speaker:understanding what social enterprises actually are.
Speaker:How they differ from traditional businesses
Speaker:or charities for that matter, and the types
Speaker:of business models and legal structures
Speaker:that exist that you may wish to adopt.
Speaker:Now, this episode is essential if you're
Speaker:thinking of starting one, working for one,
Speaker:or advising one, and I've been very fortunate
Speaker:in my 30 years plus in business of working
Speaker:with organizations of various types from
Speaker:social enterprise.
Speaker:To charities, to private businesses as well.
Speaker:Now, firstly, what is a social enterprise?
Speaker:It's very often misunderstood.
Speaker:It's not just about being good and
Speaker:doing good stuff.
Speaker:It's a business that exists to solve a social
Speaker:or an environmental or a community problem.
Speaker:I. While at the same time making money, those
Speaker:two go hand in hand.
Speaker:Yes, it makes money and it's the profits that
Speaker:are generated that are there to support the
Speaker:mission, not just in somebody else's pocket.
Speaker:A bit like this, if a private business
Speaker:says How much profit can we make, A social
Speaker:enterprise will say.
Speaker:How much good can we do with the profits
Speaker:that we generate?
Speaker:Social enterprises sell goods and services just
Speaker:like any other business.
Speaker:They have the same challenges.
Speaker:They adopt business practices, but it's what
Speaker:they do with the money is where things change.
Speaker:Profits are reinvested into their calls, whether
Speaker:that is supporting vulnerable people
Speaker:protecting the planet.
Speaker:Or creating fair work and opportunities for others.
Speaker:Now, it's important to emphasize charities
Speaker:are not necessarily social enterprises.
Speaker:Charities, a great deal of them will
Speaker:rely predominantly on donations or
Speaker:grants to operate.
Speaker:They don't necessarily, all of them operate
Speaker:commercially.
Speaker:But they operate in ethical lines.
Speaker:The monies that they generate are going
Speaker:towards a charitable purpose here, but
Speaker:a charity is not necessarily a social
Speaker:enterprise, and a social enterprise is not
Speaker:necessarily a charity.
Speaker:Let me have a look at the main models that
Speaker:are currently used in the United Kingdom.
Speaker:I. Model number one is a community
Speaker:interest company or a CIC for short.
Speaker:Now this is one of the most popular social
Speaker:enterprise models operating in the United
Speaker:Kingdom, and it's designed for businesses
Speaker:that wanna make a profit but use it for community.
Speaker:Good.
Speaker:I've personally seen a growth in the use
Speaker:of CICS over the last 10, 15 years.
Speaker:They still represent a small proportion of the
Speaker:overall companies that are incorporating the
Speaker:United Kingdom, but they are a growing model.
Speaker:Now these are designed for businesses that
Speaker:make profits, wanna make a profit and
Speaker:should be making a profit, but use those
Speaker:profits of community.
Speaker:Good.
Speaker:So what makes a CIC different?
Speaker:Well, from the beginning, when you create A CIC,
Speaker:you have to show a clear community purpose.
Speaker:You have to file a community interest
Speaker:statement when you register and you commit
Speaker:to something called an asset lock, meaning those
Speaker:assets and profits that the organization has.
Speaker:Must go to another beneficiary organization.
Speaker:Those assets and resources are not to
Speaker:be used for the benefit of the individuals.
Speaker:If your CIC ceases to exist, then typically,
Speaker:and certainly what we would recommend is
Speaker:those assets that you built up go to another
Speaker:beneficiary organization, but the resources are
Speaker:there for the benefit of the community.
Speaker:Not for the individuals who run the CIC.
Speaker:Now in itself there are two types of cis.
Speaker:You will encounter more of this in next
Speaker:week's podcast, but for now, lemme give
Speaker:you a brief overview.
Speaker:You either have a CIC that's limited by
Speaker:guarantee, or you have a CIC that's limited
Speaker:by shares, which means you can attract private
Speaker:investment and that means it's possible
Speaker:to distribute profits by way of dividends.
Speaker:To those individual investors or
Speaker:corporate investors.
Speaker:A CIC is a bit of a hybrid, a halfway house
Speaker:between a charity and a private company.
Speaker:It's not unusual, by the way, for a charity to
Speaker:actually have a separate subsidiary or an entity
Speaker:that's constituted as a CIC to run their trading
Speaker:commercial activities.
Speaker:Risk taking is permitted without putting the
Speaker:charity assets at risk.
Speaker:The second model is the cooperative model.
Speaker:And again, I've seen a growth in the cooperative
Speaker:model over time, and this model puts power in the
Speaker:hands of its members, not just an individual
Speaker:group of directors or the boardroom.
Speaker:It's based on democracy and equality.
Speaker:Each member has a say as to how those profits are
Speaker:distributed and shared.
Speaker:Members can be staff, customers,
Speaker:or the community.
Speaker:Those popular example of a cooperative society,
Speaker:surprising enough is the co-op supermarket,
Speaker:fair Trade businesses, energy cooperatives,
Speaker:community pumps.
Speaker:They all follow these rules, and the core
Speaker:principles are one member, one vote,
Speaker:shared ownership, and collective benefit.
Speaker:It's perfect if you want that idea of
Speaker:shared control and a strong ethical backbone.
Speaker:Another model is the Community
Speaker:Benefit Society.
Speaker:It's a type of industrial providence
Speaker:society or an IPS.
Speaker:An IPS or Community Benefit Society is
Speaker:regulated by the financial conduct
Speaker:authority, not company's house, which is the
Speaker:regulator for most corporate bodies.
Speaker:Now, a community benefits company.
Speaker:Can raise money through community shares,
Speaker:apply for charity like tax benefits.
Speaker:Typically, it can be exempt from corporation
Speaker:tax on any surplus that are generated.
Speaker:And it embeds this idea of community democracy
Speaker:in its structure.
Speaker:So if you're thinking of setting up a shop in of
Speaker:your village, your town.
Speaker:A renewable energy project or a sports
Speaker:club, then this model might be ideal for you.
Speaker:Now, one other model I need to mention here
Speaker:is a private company itself can actually be
Speaker:a social enterprise.
Speaker:You don't actually have to be A-C-I-C-A
Speaker:charity or a co-op to be a social enterprise.
Speaker:Even a standard limited company can be one, but
Speaker:it's the commitment, not just words for
Speaker:the sake of it.
Speaker:Where it commits to social aims and reinvest
Speaker:the profits accordingly.
Speaker:You need to have a clear mission statement at
Speaker:ethical practices and a transparent way of
Speaker:showing what you do.
Speaker:Now, private companies in themselves, lots of
Speaker:people use that phase where you know, we
Speaker:have good intentions.
Speaker:I. We are social enterprise in nature,
Speaker:but you actually have to show and demonstrate
Speaker:a proportion of those profits are going
Speaker:towards social good.
Speaker:You need to build trust with funders
Speaker:and audiences.
Speaker:There's no asset lock or legal obligation
Speaker:to reinvest profits unless you say so.
Speaker:My personal preference is.
Speaker:Is that if you are taking social enterprise
Speaker:seriously, then do not do a private company.
Speaker:Now, there is also the idea of A CIO, all these
Speaker:acronyms floating around a charitable incorporated
Speaker:organization.
Speaker:Now, a charitable organization has the
Speaker:benefit of any accounts that are submitted.
Speaker:Only go to the Charity Commission as opposed
Speaker:to a lot of charity companies will submit
Speaker:documents and accounts to company's house
Speaker:as well as two.
Speaker:The Charity Commission itself, one filing is all
Speaker:that's needed now, the CIO is a structure that's
Speaker:only for charities.
Speaker:It's regulated by the Charity Commission.
Speaker:It gives that legal status, limited
Speaker:liability, the ability to access things like
Speaker:gift aid, business rates, relief.
Speaker:Profits if they're used for charitable
Speaker:purposes are exempt.
Speaker:Now, this is a more complex model in
Speaker:the sense of the time it takes to
Speaker:get incorporated.
Speaker:There's a much longer lead time
Speaker:between submitting an application and getting
Speaker:that charity status.
Speaker:There's more obligations placed on the
Speaker:individual trustees and directors compared
Speaker:to other social models that we've outlined.
Speaker:You've got her charitable aims, public
Speaker:benefit, and trustees.
Speaker:You can't just set one up willy-nilly overnight
Speaker:and the time taken.
Speaker:Can range anything from a few weeks to several
Speaker:months between submitting the application and
Speaker:getting approval.
Speaker:Now, how do you decide which model
Speaker:you should choose?
Speaker:Now, for me, it's this idea of substance
Speaker:follows form.
Speaker:You always have got to consider what you
Speaker:are planning to do.
Speaker:Start with your purposes, what your objectives
Speaker:are over say the next two or three years,
Speaker:what's your main goal?
Speaker:Who are you helping?
Speaker:How are you gonna raise money?
Speaker:Do you want outside investment?
Speaker:Do you want restrictions placed on you
Speaker:and your fellow?
Speaker:Trustees have a business and a financial
Speaker:activity plan and then decide the structure
Speaker:that best suits.
Speaker:Now, it's not unusual, by the way.
Speaker:If you think charitable status is your long-term
Speaker:goal, you might set up a CIC to begin with,
Speaker:and then you can convert that to a charity down
Speaker:the line, get the model role, and that might
Speaker:deny you opportunities.
Speaker:It might have an impact on tax.
Speaker:And it might have an impact on accessing
Speaker:funding and other such matters as well.
Speaker:Now, social enterprises are not soft,
Speaker:fluffy, or weak.
Speaker:They are businesses.
Speaker:Their objective is to make profits, but it's
Speaker:what those profits are used for that
Speaker:differentiates them from their private sector.
Speaker:Cousins, they're smart.
Speaker:Impactful and essential.
Speaker:They run schools, they create jobs, they
Speaker:build communities.
Speaker:They clean oceans.
Speaker:They have an environmental impact,
Speaker:and yes, they pay wages, they file
Speaker:taxes, and they grow.
Speaker:Now, whatever your choice is, what matters
Speaker:fundamentally is your mission and how you
Speaker:use those profits.
Speaker:So if you are ready to blend purpose
Speaker:with profit, a social enterprise model
Speaker:could be for you.
Speaker:Now, final thought, if you are running
Speaker:or planning a social enterprise.
Speaker:Maybe you worked with one or want help
Speaker:with setting one up.
Speaker:Well speak to your advisor or speak to us.
Speaker:We have dealt with social enterprises for nearly
Speaker:three decades here.
Speaker:Check out the show notes, book a call.
Speaker:We'll help you choose the right structure,
Speaker:build a sustainable plan, and stay compliant
Speaker:while staying true to your mission.
Speaker:Until next week, folks, plan it,
Speaker:do it and profit.